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February 18, 2004

Kookery, but not on Saturday.

by Feòrag

On my travels, I often make use of vegan restaurants run the Seventh Day Adventists. I quite like them really, especially as they seem to spend the effort others waste evangelising on promoting vegetarianism and healthy living. Indeed, if you want to find religious material at one of their establishments, you will probably find it tucked away somewhere under the cookbooks. Imagine my surprise, then, at finding a publication such as Earth's Final Warning at the Country Life restaurant in Boston.

On the surface, it looks like your ordinary conspiratorial rant about how the Papacy plans to bring about the New World Order. But this makes an important point: the rot set in when the Sabbath was moved to Sunday.

Satan, working through unconsecrates leaders of the church, tampered with the fourth commandment also, and essayed to set aside the ancient Sabbath, the day which God has blessed and sanctified (Genesis 2:2-3), and in its stead to exalt the festival observed by the heathen as the venerable day of the sun.

Although the pamphlet is close to anonymous, we are invited to purchase a book:

Order today a complete, thirty-seven chapter, unabridged work from which much of this present tabloid was excerpted. Dig deep into the issues involving the many behind-the-scenes struggles between the forces of good and evil. This volume emphasises the major events throughout the Christian Era leading to the startling, rapidly approaching climax. Full historical and scriptural documentation. Millions sold worldwide.

But you can save yourself the $3.95 (approx 3p at current exchange rates) they ask, as The Great Controversy is available online for free.

The site www.GreatControversy.org--A Positive Place on the Web for The Third Angel's Message contains much more, including the traditional homphobia and sexism, the authors holding views identical to that of the Pope they seem to hate so much.

Despite being clearly batshit, they claim to represent the mainstream of Seventh Day Adventism--further input on that would be welcome. I will leave the Institute for Adventist Studies in Mormonism for Teresa.

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1: Posted by: Tim Hall | February 18, 2004 8:41 PM

Don't forget, David Koresh's Branch Davidian cult was a spinoff from the Seventh Day Adventists.

This sounds like a similar group.

2: Posted by: Feòrag | February 18, 2004 8:48 PM

Hmm, I'd forgotten about them. It must be the shock of finding the pamphlet. I'd always thought of Seventh Day Adventests the same way I think of Quakers - mostly harmless, often useful and not likely to ever feature in the Prattle.

3: Posted by: Feòrag | February 19, 2004 6:00 AM

A quick check of Wikipedia reveals that the author of the book, Ellen G. White, is one of the co-founders of Seventh-day Adventism and we must sadly assume that the lunatic pamphlet is mainstream.

4: Posted by: Kendra (an Adventist) | February 21, 2004 2:12 AM

Eeeeek! No, no.... GreatControversy.org is NOT mainstream. They wish they were. They think the mainstream church is approaching Babylon. My husband (an Adventist pastor) went to seminary with the founder of this website and had many long conversations with him, but to no avail.

Ellen White and the book The Great Controversy are pretty mainstream, though.

Happy to answer further questions, if you like.

5: Posted by: Feòrag | February 21, 2004 11:59 AM

Thanks for that, Kendra - that's the sort of thing it's hard to tell when your main contact with a group is a hearty meal. Is it a case of selective extracting from the book, conveniently ignoring the bulk of it that doesn't fit, the same way some fundies will rant about the evil homosexuals while wearing polycotton shirts? As to how it got there, I assume someone sympathetic to them slipped the pamphlet in among the religious stuff hidden under the vegetarian cookbooks!

6: Posted by: Kendra (an Adventist) | February 21, 2004 8:10 PM

As far as I can tell, the main purpose of this group's ministry is to rant at the mainstream church about everything that it's doing wrong. So, for example, they have a banner proclaiming "SDAs oppose homosexuality" because they heard that an Adventist group or ministry might have been nice to a homosexual. Or, they have a page against women's ordination because some people are for it.

Unfortunately, people like yourself who stumble across this website don't see the other, balancing portion of the dialogue that's going on within the church.

To read official church statements on these and other issues, visit http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/ or http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/statements.html. (Editor's note: the URLs have been made live, and the second one corrected.)

As to how the pamphlet got there... hard to say. Sometimes the vegan Adventists are the most right-wing, so they could have put it there on purpose.

7: Posted by: Stefanie | September 6, 2005 4:05 PM

You have no idea what the SDA group has done to my family. They are a cult not a religion. God's people do not judge others as SDA do as God is the only one who can judge. They have taken a vulnerable member of my family and brainwashed him into believing that all Catholics are bad and that the reason the country is in the shape that it is in is because there are so many Catholics in Congress. Followers of God, Christians, do not practice hate, prejudice, discrimination. Even though as followers of God, Christians may oppose homosexuality, abortion and other sins we do not hate the sinner, only the sin. The Lord himself befriended sinners and loves the whole world, every race, every religion, every sex and yes, even the SDA group/cult.

8: Posted by: Feòrag | September 6, 2005 4:15 PM

Stefanie, a quick read of the comments on this thread will reveal that there is a certain, erm, diversity within Seventh Day Adventism. It would seem you met the bunch that are regarded as loonies by the rest. They certainly are less harmful than the cult you promote in your comment, the leadership of which has consistently spread homophobic hate speech in a cynical attempt to distract attention away from their inaction over child abusing priests.

By the way, it really is quite pathetic when an adult has an imaginary friend, especially when they talk about in public. Bet you believe in Santa, too.

9: Posted by: Stefanie | September 6, 2005 6:05 PM

I am sure that Jesus would not approve of your hatred towards others either. After all He is God's Son. But I guess that when you make up a "religion" or whatever you want to call it you can also make up the rules. Jesus loves all including sinners and although you may think that you are high and mighty you are also a sinner. I think it is very pathetic and sad that you don't know God and apparently you do not know Jesus either. I don't know what Bible you practice from - I am sure you wrote your own to serve your own purpose whatever that may be.

10: Posted by: Feòrag | September 6, 2005 7:48 PM

You know, for someone who claims not to judge, or be prejudiced, you seem to be very judgemental and prejudiced: "you are also a sinner", "it is very pathetic and sad that you don't know God"

Here, let me put it in very small words for you: There is no such thing as god. It is all in your head. The Bible is just a book -- a compilation of Middle Eastern mythology, poetry (some bad, some okay), Jewish laws, opinion, letters and some impressive drug-induced gonzo bits from 2000 years before Hunter S. Thompson. It was all hacked together by human beings about 1500 years ago, which is why it contradicts itself so often.

Now, stop embarrasing yourself in public. Should you choose to reply (and in so doing, drive me even further away from your dead Jew), please read the notes at the top of the comment form first. In fact, I might disemvowel you anyway.

11: Posted by: Red Wolf | September 7, 2005 1:47 AM

I quite enjoyed Stefanie's fantasy filled-rant. Especially the bit about the Catholics running Congress. I'm sure Pat Robertson and his loony mates will be miffed to hear they've been usurped.

12: Posted by: Gert | September 7, 2005 5:39 PM

Feorag, well, as you know from previous comments, I'm no believer in the Mischievous Social Worker in Bureaucratic Outer Space either, but I do accept that my non-believing is nothing more than a belief system in itself. I can't prove that G-d doesn't exist, but see no signs of His/Hers/Its/Whatevers existence either.

Faith itself requires that the believer accepts unconditionally that the dirty little secret of Divine Existence and Creation is True. Or at least during their stay in the mortal coil, with reward points after passing the check-in point ("did you pack this bag yourself?") to the Asylum in the Sky. Religion provides no proof of any such claims. A believe now, see you later approach to life.

The argument It's all in your head is true but doesn't it apply to everything else?

I also happen to believe in the Big Bang, Evolution and Charmed Quarks but have to accept I (or anyone else) have no proof that these theories are correct.

Logically speaking, that makes these theories no better than theology... I just happen to like them better.

13: Posted by: A Voice of Sanity | September 4, 2008 4:38 PM

Gert said: "Feorag, well, as you know from previous comments, I'm no believer in the Mischievous Social Worker in Bureaucratic Outer Space either ..."

Interesting idea. So this planet has been taken into care by the Outer Space Bureaucracy because we are such a bunch of fuckups and our very low level care worker is over worked, under paid, and goes on the booze quite often causing him to do disastrously stupid things? But mostly he ignores us and our complaints and problems? Could be! Makes more sense than any other explanation.

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